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		<title>By: Legal Services and Sausage &#124; Above and Beyond KM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Services and Sausage &#124; Above and Beyond KM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] artistic) personnel to produce extraordinary, memorable, successful work product. And, I believe there is an important role for knowledge management and IT to play in achieving high quality artisanal work product at a price that makes our clients [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Help Law Firms Deliver Value [ILTA09] &#124; Above and Beyond KM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Help Law Firms Deliver Value [ILTA09] &#124; Above and Beyond KM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 04:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My post on a prior talk given by Richard Susskind and its implications for law firm knowledge management. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Corresponding with Cornelius &#124; Compliance Building</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corresponding with Cornelius &#124; Compliance Building</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alternative Billing, Alternative Lawyering at Above and Beyond KM [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bill_roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill_roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mary&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As you say, it must ultimately make business sense for lawyers in a firm to collaborate with each other and &#039;productize&#039; standard offerings in order to do things more efficiently.  They just need to find new ways of charging for their work to reflect this.  But fixed price packaged or standardized services could be very profitable. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If something takes 100 hours to do the first time, but only takes 10 hours to do by re-using standard stuff that&#039;s been built up over many previous assignments, then you might be able to sell it for the equivalent of 50 hours and still be providing good value to the clients.  I&#039;d be interested to hear to what extent this kind of approach is starting to be used by law firms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mary</p>
<p>As you say, it must ultimately make business sense for lawyers in a firm to collaborate with each other and &#39;productize&#39; standard offerings in order to do things more efficiently.  They just need to find new ways of charging for their work to reflect this.  But fixed price packaged or standardized services could be very profitable. </p>
<p>If something takes 100 hours to do the first time, but only takes 10 hours to do by re-using standard stuff that&#39;s been built up over many previous assignments, then you might be able to sell it for the equivalent of 50 hours and still be providing good value to the clients.  I&#39;d be interested to hear to what extent this kind of approach is starting to be used by law firms.</p>
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		<title>By: VMaryAbraham</title>
		<link>http://aboveandbeyondkm.com/2009/04/alternative-billing-alternative-lawyering.html/comment-page-1#comment-1380</link>
		<dc:creator>VMaryAbraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill and Doug - &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for your comments.  You should meet each other!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If KM is done correctly, it should result in improved quality and productivity.  However, that won&#039;t be seen as truly valuable within an hourly billing structure unless there is a surfeit of work.  In which case, KM helps deal with the problem of opportunity cost.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The value of the approach described in my post can be appreciated best when there is less work to be done and clients are demanding lower costs.  Better quality work at lower cost is a value proposition most clients would embrace.  From the firm&#039;s perspective, however, it&#039;s important to follow the Susskind approach so that you have a fighting chance of actually documenting the improvements in quality and decline in cost.  It&#039;s in that analysis that you find ROI.  Anything else is wishful thinking.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill and Doug &#8211; </p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.  You should meet each other!  </p>
<p>If KM is done correctly, it should result in improved quality and productivity.  However, that won&#39;t be seen as truly valuable within an hourly billing structure unless there is a surfeit of work.  In which case, KM helps deal with the problem of opportunity cost.  </p>
<p>The value of the approach described in my post can be appreciated best when there is less work to be done and clients are demanding lower costs.  Better quality work at lower cost is a value proposition most clients would embrace.  From the firm&#39;s perspective, however, it&#39;s important to follow the Susskind approach so that you have a fighting chance of actually documenting the improvements in quality and decline in cost.  It&#39;s in that analysis that you find ROI.  Anything else is wishful thinking.</p>
<p>- Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://aboveandbeyondkm.com/2009/04/alternative-billing-alternative-lawyering.html/comment-page-1#comment-1381</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, maybe its time to drop the &quot;alternative billing&quot; label. I think there is hourly billing and non-hourly billing. (Someday, hourly billing will be the alternative.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, it is hard to get an ROI with hourly billing. KM results in producing better work product more efficiently. Logically, that leads to fewer hours spent on a task, which leads to a lower bill. Good things for the client, but hard to measure the benefit to the law firms.  That gets turned on its head when you move away from hourly billing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the KM movement should embrace Susskind&#039;s message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary -</p>
<p>First, maybe its time to drop the &#8220;alternative billing&#8221; label. I think there is hourly billing and non-hourly billing. (Someday, hourly billing will be the alternative.)</p>
<p>Second, it is hard to get an ROI with hourly billing. KM results in producing better work product more efficiently. Logically, that leads to fewer hours spent on a task, which leads to a lower bill. Good things for the client, but hard to measure the benefit to the law firms.  That gets turned on its head when you move away from hourly billing.</p>
<p>I think the KM movement should embrace Susskind&#39;s message.</p>
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		<title>By: bill_roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill_roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting issue from a KM point of view: clearly one of the benefits of good KM is making the right information available to the right people, and so increasing the productivity of the company -  a particular task can be done more quickly, or done better in a given amount of time.  It&#039;s only fair that the firm gets some of the benefits of their farsighted and well-organised knowledge management activities :-)   They may of course also want to pass these benefits on to their customers to gain competitive advantage.  But this is tricky if everything is billed by the hour: spending fewer hours on the task may not instantly be seen as a good thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No doubt I am oversimplifying - but how does this work in practice in typical law firms? How can the benefits of KM in terms of improving productivity be translated into improved margins and so quantified as a return on the investment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting issue from a KM point of view: clearly one of the benefits of good KM is making the right information available to the right people, and so increasing the productivity of the company &#8211;  a particular task can be done more quickly, or done better in a given amount of time.  It&#39;s only fair that the firm gets some of the benefits of their farsighted and well-organised knowledge management activities <img src='http://aboveandbeyondkm.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />    They may of course also want to pass these benefits on to their customers to gain competitive advantage.  But this is tricky if everything is billed by the hour: spending fewer hours on the task may not instantly be seen as a good thing.</p>
<p>No doubt I am oversimplifying &#8211; but how does this work in practice in typical law firms? How can the benefits of KM in terms of improving productivity be translated into improved margins and so quantified as a return on the investment?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mary&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As you say, it must ultimately make business sense for lawyers in a firm to collaborate with each other and &#039;productize&#039; standard offerings in order to do things more efficiently.  They just need to find new ways of charging for their work to reflect this.  But fixed price packaged or standardized services could be very profitable. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If something takes 100 hours to do the first time, but only takes 10 hours to do by re-using standard stuff that&#039;s been built up over many previous assignments, then you might be able to sell it for the equivalent of 50 hours and still be providing good value to the clients.  I&#039;d be interested to hear to what extent this kind of approach is starting to be used by law firms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mary</p>
<p>As you say, it must ultimately make business sense for lawyers in a firm to collaborate with each other and &#39;productize&#39; standard offerings in order to do things more efficiently.  They just need to find new ways of charging for their work to reflect this.  But fixed price packaged or standardized services could be very profitable. </p>
<p>If something takes 100 hours to do the first time, but only takes 10 hours to do by re-using standard stuff that&#39;s been built up over many previous assignments, then you might be able to sell it for the equivalent of 50 hours and still be providing good value to the clients.  I&#39;d be interested to hear to what extent this kind of approach is starting to be used by law firms.</p>
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		<title>By: VMaryAbraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>VMaryAbraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill and Doug - &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for your comments.  You should meet each other!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If KM is done correctly, it should result in improved quality and productivity.  However, that won&#039;t be seen as truly valuable within an hourly billing structure unless there is a surfeit of work.  In which case, KM helps deal with the problem of opportunity cost.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The value of this approach can be appreciated best when there is less work to be done and clients are demanding lower costs.  Better quality work at lower cost is a value proposition most clients would embrace.  From the firm&#039;s perspective, however, it&#039;s important to follow the Susskind approach so that you have a fighting chance of actually documenting the improvements in quality and decline in cost.  It&#039;s in that analysis that you find ROI.  Anything else is wishful thinking.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill and Doug &#8211; </p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.  You should meet each other!  </p>
<p>If KM is done correctly, it should result in improved quality and productivity.  However, that won&#39;t be seen as truly valuable within an hourly billing structure unless there is a surfeit of work.  In which case, KM helps deal with the problem of opportunity cost.  </p>
<p>The value of this approach can be appreciated best when there is less work to be done and clients are demanding lower costs.  Better quality work at lower cost is a value proposition most clients would embrace.  From the firm&#39;s perspective, however, it&#39;s important to follow the Susskind approach so that you have a fighting chance of actually documenting the improvements in quality and decline in cost.  It&#39;s in that analysis that you find ROI.  Anything else is wishful thinking.</p>
<p>- Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Cornelius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, maybe its time to drop the &quot;alternative billing&quot; label. I think there is hourly billing and non-hourly billing. (Someday, hourly billing will be the alternative.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, it is hard to get an ROI with hourly billing. KM results in producing better work product more efficiently. Logically, that leads to fewer hours spent on a task, which leads to a lower bill. Good things for the client, but hard to measure the benefit to the law firms.  That gets turned on its head when you move away from hourly billing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the KM movement should embrace Susskind&#039;s message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary -</p>
<p>First, maybe its time to drop the &#8220;alternative billing&#8221; label. I think there is hourly billing and non-hourly billing. (Someday, hourly billing will be the alternative.)</p>
<p>Second, it is hard to get an ROI with hourly billing. KM results in producing better work product more efficiently. Logically, that leads to fewer hours spent on a task, which leads to a lower bill. Good things for the client, but hard to measure the benefit to the law firms.  That gets turned on its head when you move away from hourly billing.</p>
<p>I think the KM movement should embrace Susskind&#39;s message.</p>
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